postanowilem nieco samemu poszukac i naswietlic w jakis sposob ta sprawe.
i doszukalem sie paru ciekawych rzeczy.
"Speaking as a fan for over 50 years, I think ThaBigBoss overdoes it, though. First of all, Man You is not the same as Man U - it just sounds the same. Second, Man U is just an ungrammatical way of writing Man. U. with the proper full stops for abbreviation. Third, Man. U. was, perhaps sometimes still is, a commonly used abbreviation in newspapers which publish league tables, when there is not enough space to write the whole name Manchester United. This abbreviation existed independently of any slur the rival fans dreamt up. Personally, I believe Man U should be tolerated on these boards. I can assure him that many bona fide fans referred to their team as Man U."
"Well in Manchester and Salford most people say either united or man u, especially if they're over a certain age. I'm talking about the locals,born and bred in terrace houses and match going from being kids. My mates mam is in her late 70s and still goes to every home game and if you told her she could'nt say man u the look she would give you would be enough.They would probably be bemused by kids and OOTs telling them what they are allowed to call their club."
"I'm 41 born and bred less than 2 miles north of the city centre and I know people (match going and armchair)who say man u as much as united and would think the whole debate is a load of bollocks."
"Just heard Steve Bruce refer to "Man u" on SSN. You'd think he would know better."
"I've heard that "Man U" story a fair few times, and yet never from anybody old enough to remember, and it does seem a little off to me. If it were such a big issue, then why are United so often referred to in that way? It seems many of our players from the 90's refer to us as "Man U", so it would be quite odd if this story were true. My main gripe with the name is it tends to be a term used by non-United fans, in the same way few football fans refer to the game as "footie". It just doesn't sound right more than anything."
"Actually Bryan Robson said it - in an interview with MUTV"
"I have decided to follow Robbo and Sharpey's lead and reclaim the term 'Man U' - as people have pointed out this is a phrase that was happily used by MUFC fans of the past but more recently has become associated with ABUs etc
so say it loud, Im Man U and proud !"
"we've established that Man U fans used to say Man U years ago and we know that Man U used to sing "You'll never walk alone" during the same period.
So i wonder how the modern day fan feels about that"
"As to ThaBigBoss post #42, as a rather crinkly pre-munich Red and long term user of ManU, it's good to be educated (aka patronised) by such a life-long (...er precious 18 yr-old)... supporter.
It's not Man U, in the Munich chant that's offensive, it's the Munich sentiment. Are we going to drop United too, because it gets attached to United-scumbag and SCUM."
"So basically, we have allowed scum supporters of other clubs to take a term that was once used affectionately by some of our own supporters, and turn it into a term of abuse.
And we just let that happen, and then turn on our own supporters for using it.
Jesus... where's the "who the fuck are Man.United" spirit? We should take their insults and use them ourselves...in other words, stuff their abuse down their throats."
"I've heard older supporters who sound to be in their 50s or 60s, or even older, use the terms when they've called in to MUTV. Because of the controversy that now surrounds the term, it rather stuck out."
"Bahama seems to be projecting a modern view of the term 'Man U' backwards in time in making many of his judgements.
We've pretty much established that the term had no negative connotations prior to say the mid-60s - so there would not have been any negative associations to stop anyone from using the term earlier and there is good evidence that it was so used.
Bahama wants to label every-one who did use it as a 'pillock' or out-of-towner. This, I suggest, is entirely to do with the later dislike of the term - something that is inappropriate in judging the behaviour of those earlier times.
'Pillock' for using an alternative term with no negative connotations, at the time?
OOT as a desperate pseudo-justification that only people who don't understand United (and how much the term is now disliked) would have used the term back when it was unproblematic?
Bahama, I suspect, is unconsciously re-inventing the past to fit his current views.
The evidence is against him on this one.
'Man U' was used validly by Utd supporters, but became associated with ABU-style slogans, and gathered negative connotations, which resulted in most Reds choosing not to use the term and often demanding that no 'real' supporter/fan should use the term either. Sad really."
">>Originally Posted by BahamaRed
If I think someone's a pillock that's my subjective view. Why do you have a problem with that.
No one was a pillock back then for using the term cos IT WAS NEVER USED. (except by 0.0001% of the United base as you have pointed out)) Nowadays if you use the term and you are Manchester based then you're a pillock in my eyes. Clear?>>>cytaty wziete z dyskusji na redcafe w watku pt. 'Man U?'
podsumowywujac:
termin prawdopodobnie nie byl uzywany oficjalnie przez klub (czyt. umieszczany w program, gadzetach itd.). byl i jest uzywany przez starszych kibicow. niektorzy, z urodzonych w manchesterze po prostu uzytkuja go, a inni nie.
prawdopodobnie, tak jak podejrzewalem, 'zakaz' tego terminu probuje zostac ukuty przez mlodszych kibicow, ktorzy probuja byc niejako redder than red. mam nadzieje, ze to niektorym zapalczywym kibicom rzuci nieco swiatla na ta sprawe.
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mx19
» Piątek, 29 maja 2009, 12:10
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